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: : : : : Do you folks in Texas, Hawaii, Florida, Alaska, etc. think you will bring about independence without the support of willing, visible force!?!? : : : Please cite a single instance in world history that illustrates the acquisition of freedom, independence, or individual rights without the prolonged use of force... : : : Get your support in place IN ADVANCE before trying this. Otherwise, you are simply supplying the Establishment Powers with another victory. : : : R.A. MANN : : Mr. Mann, : : In response to your query, I can recall no such instance. However, my recollection of history ist that our colonies won the War of Independence by starting out with peaceful protest. These protests were done by-and-large without any organized "force". Only after they were certain that no other course was available for remedy did they resort to armed and organized resistance. : : I believe the patriot movement is bringing the states of the Union closer to that point in time, but it is not yet reached that bl

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